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[–]thatjoe 41 points42 points  (4 children)

This isn't so much a trick as the reason PHP was originally created.

[–]weekendwarrior 12 points13 points  (0 children)

woah, never knew that. thanks for wasting an hour of my life reading wikipedia about programming history

[–]Solima -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Exactly, this task could have been done in seconds with php. No need to include an empty CSS file.

[–]dada_researcher[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The idea was that the cv file could be emailed around. Each time it was opened, anywhere, it would request that css file from my domain.

[–]Solima 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I realised this after I went out today. Figured i'd get the downvote!

[–]skeww 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Maybe it is an old-time fear but when I see a .doc file I always think about embedded virus. So my options are pdf files [...]

In case you didn't know, PDF is the new DOC.

[...] empty css file [...]

Some UAs barf if you load empty CSS files. Add a single pointless rule like b{voice-family:inherit}. Well, it's probably not necessary anymore.

[–]prahsc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think Rasmus Lerdorf had a similar idea a long time ago.

[–]shooshx 60 points61 points  (22 children)

all these italics and bold faces make this hard to read.

[–]dada_researcher[S] 28 points29 points  (17 children)

I might have been a bit too enthusiastic with that. It is my first blog post ever.

[–]volkadav 19 points20 points  (1 child)

nice post :) my only note would be than "cvs" makes me think "!svn/rcs/git/bzr/hg..." instead of "CVs"; which was more a matter of retraining my eyes temporarily than any particular hardship

[–]dada_researcher[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I've fixed it :)

[–]scragar 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Yeah, tip for future, if you're adding style and it's not needed, don't.

I was seriously expecting your bold text to be links, you certainly picked good places to have links to create bold text(sometimes anyway, then you'd go and select a random word like interesting without a good reason).

[–]dada_researcher[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I was trying to remark key points in each paragraph.

[–]r3m0t 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Wrong:

Being of a curious nature I want to track how many times the CV is being read, and when and where.

Right:

Being of a curious nature I want to track how many times the CV is being read, and when and where.

Wrong:

I was reading reddit today and found a discussion about CVs and I remembered a trick I used to do with my own CVs in the past.

Right:

I was reading reddit today and found a discussion about CVs and I remembered a trick I used to do with my own CVs in the past.

[–]dada_researcher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point * (1 child)

Still wrong.

Don't embolden things unnecessary, that's the rule. Especially don't try to embolden something and only that in every paragraph.

Also, Opera's spellchecker thinks that "embolden" is a word.

[–]splicer_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you post on Stackoverflow? Lots of posts there like to do that bolding thing.

[–]Fabien4 0 points1 point  (2 children)

As a reader, the first thing I tend to do before I read an article is remove all those annoying styles: fonts, colors, etc. If I don't manage[*] to make the text readable, I just copy&paste it into Notepad.

[*] Yeah, I know about readability, and I don't like it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What don't you like about it?

[–]Fabien4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They didn't manage to make one readable template.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did you just bold random words? It isn't adding emphasis to anything, it's just random. I hope your cvs don't look like that.

[–]Seeders 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Also, i dont know what CV is, so maybe you should include the full words the first time you use it instead of all abbreviations.

[–]deafbybeheading 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't know 'CV', you're not likely to know 'curriculum vitae', and CV is no harder to look up.

[–]midge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bold face has a negative connotation. I like to call it courage countenance.

[–]dagbrown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't the AP style guide say that bold face is only to be used for the names of celebrities in gossip columns?

[–]McMoop 22 points23 points  (5 children)

here is a site that does essentially the same thing using an image that can be embedded in other types of files

[–]chrono13 24 points25 points  (3 children)

If an embedded image in the html CV is hosted on trackmycv.com then I think it would look worse, both for intent and skill, than a link to an empty css file hosted at your own site.

[–]phpnode 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm not sure I agree with you about intent - tracking your CV / resume is no more objectionable than tracking webpage hits with GA. In fact it shows that you're the kind of person who's taking their job search seriously, surely this is a good thing in the eyes on an employer?

Trackmycv.com is really intended for the vast majority of people who use MS Word to send their CVs/Resumes. As far as doing this for HTML CVs/Resumes - why not just set a 301 redirect on your server that points to your tracking pixel @ trackmycv.com?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It doesn't do you any good to know who's reading your CV if they don't call you anyway.

[–]phpnode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well you could write different versions of your CV and split test them. That might give you a better idea of what's working and what isn't in terms of content.

[–]rafuzo2 4 points5 points  (4 children)

what's with the random bold comments?

[–]aparadja 6 points7 points  (2 children)

they add emphasis

[–]brownmatt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

emphasis

[–]justintnelson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

emphassis

[–]phaseblue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP is Shatner. (Hence the hiding identity, etc.)

[–]joelthelion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You could even use javascript to track mouse motion over your resume, and identify potential hotspots.

[–]aviewanew 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I host that css file in my own server, where I publish the cv, and the cv has a link to that file as well. I set up a quick python script to serve that css file and, at the same time, email me some information about the computer requesting the file (ip, timestamp, referring page, browser used and language).

Personally, I would have stopped at the image and just grepped logfiles. But I'm just being critical. It's a good idea.

[–]cronin1024 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what I do. Though the CSS does look more innocent if discovered.

[–]dustball 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I made a site a year or two that does this for you, and graphs the hits, etc ;)

http://www.docchaser.com/

[–]haywire 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How do you put a remote image into a PDF?

[–]DuncanSmart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool! That's brilliant - I'm surprised Word doesn't prompt when updating images from the internet.

[–]smallfried 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brilliant! Although might I suggest to use a hashfunction and not a simple increasing number for the .gif filename? I've 'accidentally' given the owner of another doc the idea that his doc is viewed from my place.

[–]fuzzybunn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait, what? This guy says

when I see a .doc file I always think about embedded virus

and then goes on to show how he uses his HTML CV to collect user data?

[–]rgejman 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Interesting. I assume that it cannot be done, but is there any way to do the same trick with pdf files? I doubt PDF files allow loading of arbitrary remote files, but you never know...

[–]dada_researcher[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Actually I think it might be possible. Maybe it was with ps files but I think I remember you need to embed fonts or you risk them not being available. I'd say it is likely that you could use a font referenced by an url, maybe even an image.

[–]jc4p 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Adobe Reader will still pop up saying "Allow this document to access [URL]?" though. That might tip them off.

[–]wartexmaul 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That might tick them off. FTFY

[–]rgejman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, googling doesn't turn anything up.

[–]phpnode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I investigated this when building trackmycv.com, adobe squashed this functionality in newer versions of reader, you can't load a resource from an external url in pdf documents :(

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to have an "online resume" on my website that I would try and route employers to. I would get similar results, where I could see people looking at my resume, forwarding the link around, stuff like that.

Like he says, I would get calls very often within minutes of them reading it. I don't know that it got me hired any more than a regular pdf resume, but it was really cool to feel like I had inside information.

[–]weirdalexis 1 point2 points  (5 children)

CV are meant to be printed. That's why I make it a point to fit my CV in a single page.

Has anyone ever got to control the printing layout in HTML / CSS? (As in 100% sure that it will print the same way everywhere)

[–]five9a2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

s/CV/résumé/

These are used for different purposes and have different conventions (especially in North America). A CV normally has very dry formatting and significant detail including experience not directly related to the position being applied for, lists of publications, etc. A résumé is usually one or two pages with only the most essential information targeted at a particular position, and more discretionary formatting. In almost all circumstances, a PDF is preferable since everyone can read it and you can be confident about how it will look and print. You can always produce a different format if specifically requested. If you produce and send the document in Word, be very careful about hidden content (like deletions and history which can be embarrassing, old article).

[–]haywire 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Honestly can't see how you'd fit any amount of meaningful experience into a single page without it looking completely crushed.

[–]cr3ative 3 points4 points  (1 child)

By being concise?

[–]haywire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd have to see an example. There's concise, and then there's vague.

[–]weirdalexis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I cut it in 4 parts : education, work experience, other skills, other interrests.

Education: this should not take more than 3 lines.

Work experience: this is the most important. Keep only the 4 most relevant to the targeted position. Use the same formatting for the 4. Throw buzzwords here (languages used, libraries, business linguo).

Other skills: 4 or 5 lines of skills that are relevant to the position, but do not appear in the work experience.

Other interests: 1 or 2 lines to list what you enjoy in life, when you're not in front of a computer.

[–]samlee 4 points5 points  (3 children)

that's exactly why i don't apply for jobs

[–]codefrog 4 points5 points  (1 child)

xahlee is that you?

[–]sjf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh my god, you've cracked the code.

[–]implausibleusername 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because you don't want people reading your CV?

[–]bigtacobill 4 points5 points  (31 children)

CV Protip: Use .doc since 90% of employers use Word and ask for .doc.

[–]hobbified 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Super protip: don't use doc, since the other 10% are the places you really want to work.

[–]Silhouette 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Yes, +1. If an employer insists on a .doc format CV, it typically means one of three things:

  1. They are too technically incompetent to read any other format.

  2. They want to scan it into some HR database that munches keywords with no intelligence and spits out a correspondingly meaningful score for each candidate.

  3. They are the kind of organisation that places rigid adherence to a process above common sense, possibly even using ability to adhere to such processes as a criteria for deciding whom to hire.

If you were looking for a simple high-pass filter to weed out low-end employers to avoid, any of those would be a pretty good choice IME. After all, even if you are clever enough to fool the system, you already know that the people you would be working with are the kind of person selected by such methods.

[–]pozorvlak 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plus, asking for .doc indicates that they're a Windows shop, and really, life's too short.

[–]bigtacobill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You must have really drank the start-up koolaid. Have you ever actually worked in a major corporation? Process is there for a reason, because when you have 50,000 employees, you need some standards. When it comes to .doc files, they are ubiquitous. Everyone can create one and it is a perfectly reasonable file format for, oh I dont know, word processing.

Do you think that the only people who you work with are linux nerds? Do you not have any accountants? Marketing folks? Secretaries, salesmen, business analysts? Do you expect them to all be sending it in using LaTeX or a with compliant XHTML and css? If your company consists of 12 geeks just out of undergrad compsci, maybe. If you live in the real world, no.

[–]cypherx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you expect them to all be sending it in using LaTeX or a with compliant XHTML and css?

It's really not that hard to export DOC to PDF. Word is for editing, PDF is for presentation.

[–]Silhouette 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's an impressive chip on your shoulder there, skippy.

To answer your question directly: yes, I have worked at places with employee counts in the 10s, 100s, and 1000s, including one of the biggest multinational corporations in the world. As part of that experience, I have been a member of working groups responsible for setting out company-wide procedures, including at places with thousands or indeed hundreds of thousands of staff.

I am well aware of the value of having a consistent process. However, I am also well aware that such processes tend to be designed by committee, to evolve at a snail's pace, and to err on the side of being rigid and catering to the lowest common denominator, while the more effective staff tend to err on the side of flexibility and judging each situation on its merits. On the various scales used to recognise effective organisation (ISO standards and the like) you get onto the bottom rungs of the ladder by having a process, but you only get to the higher levels when you can show that the process is flexible enough to support working effectively and is adapted in light of experience gained.

I don't know where you get the rest of your rant about Linux nerds from. I never even mentiond Linux in that post, and just about every mainstream word processor or DTP package can generate PDFs, plain text, or probably HTML these days. Still, I was mildly amused about your comment on accountants, because as it happens most professional accountants I have ever worked with did use some sort of automated system based on TeX to generate all their standard paperwork.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Or(more, more likely) they want to add some remarks/rearrange sections/etc. Which is much harder for html/pdf.

[–]Silhouette 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, YMMV, but I have never seen anyone reviewing a CV want to do those things, regardless of format.

The closest I've seen is some places maintain a formal database of applications, where the document plus any comments from those considering the application get filed. If this is important to the company but they can only do it for DOC format files, then please review my points 1 and 3 above.

[–]haywire 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I use PDF with a doc "fallback". Works nicely.

I'm pretty sure DOC and PDF can be scripted to do a HTTP request, too.

[–]jugalator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I use PDF with a doc "fallback". Works nicely.

It's kind of sad if it's not the other way around there, with PDF invented to be the safe fallback for everyone.

[–]haywire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

PDF looks a lot nicer, better text rendering, kerning, ligatures etc due to it being produced by InDesign. Obviously I'm not going to give them an InDesign file as they'd probably flip a nut.

[–]Sector_Corrupt 2 points3 points  (9 children)

I refuse to use .doc for my Resume. Since I handcoded it in HTML It'd be a pain in the ass to make it right in a .doc, and as a matter of principle I try to avoid .docs at all, seeing as I run Linux and don't even have any office Software installed.

Most of the employers I want to work for are Linux shops anyway, so it's mostly not an issue.

[–]gjs278 12 points13 points  (5 children)

lol.

open your page in a web browser. highlight everything with ctrl+a. open up google docs to a blank word document. paste it in. there you go, just in case you ever need to.

[–]iofthestorm 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Even easier, apparently you can just rename the extension to .doc and Word will open it anyway because it does have support for reading html files. Never tried this myself though.

[–]gjs278 4 points5 points  (2 children)

this is true, just tested it. either way, it probably wouldn't be the best idea to do this, I can only imagine it screwing up somewhere along the line if they try and make notes or something and then save as the wrong format.

[–]toolate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Open the HTML file in Word then "Save as..." a doc file.

[–]iofthestorm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if you don't actually have Word, that might be difficult.

[–]depleater 0 points1 point * (0 children)

I did it for a few years back in the early 2000s. Just to be extra paranoid I'd also change the content-type of the attachment (using Mutt) to "application/msword" as I think Mutt was usually clever enough to spot it was text/html despite the .doc extension.

I never had any agencies or potential employers email me back saying they couldn't read it, so I guess it worked well enough :). The only thing that eventually stopped me using that technique was OpenOffice getting usable and having a very nice PDF export.

Edit: I also started to care more about avoiding bad pagebreaks by forcing good ones, as well as other strictly-print-media issues (making damn sure everything fit neatly in three pages started being much more of an issue as my experience grew). The HTML-as-fake-DOC approach could easily result in a heading at the bottom of one page or similar typesetting no-nos, which you might not even notice unless you religiously tested every revision in MSWord (which would kinda defeat the purpose).

[–]killerstorm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you rename HTML as .doc Word opens it just fine.

[–]brownmatt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Since I handcoded it in HTML

Assuming you did this to make sure your resume appears pixel-perfect, are you also checking it in various versions of various browsers?

Otherwise all that hard work might be for nothing

[–]Sector_Corrupt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, I hand coded it because of the way my school's co-op system functions with regards to resumes, they have to be HTML and when I didn't hand code it, it would end up looking disgusting.

That said, it functions in all the browsers I have on my computer, I just don't have a windows computer to test IE, especially IE6. I'm kind of okay with it not working in IE6 since I'd rather not work anywhere where that's still standard. (Yeah, I know you should never throw away oppurtunity etc. etc. but the Co-op system is fairly healthy for this and I much prefer Linux jobs most of the time anyway)

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    [–]haywire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It's true - always try PDF because pretty much everyone ever has it installed, esp. in a corporate environment. However, always be ready with a .doc file for when Janice or Bill can't fathom what the fuck to do with the PDF.

    [–]cypherx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My experience with .NET developer resumes is that P(GARBAGE | DOC) >> P(GARBAGE | PDF). This makes me immediately more skeptical when I see someone has sent me a Word resume.

    [–]killerstorm 1 point2 points * (0 children)

    .doc is not a file format, it is a filename extension. It means that MS Word will open it by default (if it is installed and association wasn't changed), that's all.

    MS Word understands lots of different formats and it can automatically guess format from the content.

    It can be one of MS Word binary formats or RTF or HTML or plain text -- MS Word will render any of them without a problem.

    I think RTF might be a good choice, most editors can make RTF and it is reasonably compatible. And I think some version of MS Office was saving RTF into .doc files, so it is perfectly ok.

    [–]Dagon 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    The dude speaks the truth. Sure, there's a lot of cool employers/bosses/owners out there, many of which are even technically competent, but Word's .doc is the way of that world and no-one is going to change that by submitting obtuse formats. PDF's are good though. Everyone has a PDF reader, Adobe infiltrated the corporate world yonks ago.

    [–]bazfoo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    I agree with your sentiments, but I'd argue that HTML is most definitely not obtuse.

    [–]Dagon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Okay, fair call, I'll concede that one.

    [–]only1rob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sooo go with either doc, PDF or HTML then?

    [–]hadoop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Isn't Word using IE to render the HTML?

    [–]SarahC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Same as I've found. I wonder why you're being down-voted?

    [–]lemoncucumber 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    And here I was expecting a trick involving condition variables.

    [–]synthesized 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I was expecting a trick involving control voltages.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I was expecting a trick involving constant velocity universal joints.

    [–]thedrx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I once did something like that, albeit unintentionally. In my CV, I linked to a detailed list of my previous works; the list was located on my http server, so I could look at logs and see how they were processed.

    [–]polyparadigm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Much of the work I do, I do on a computer which is not allowed on the internet, ever. It's possible that some of the institutions in question opened the page without internet access, for that reason or some other one.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Are you Donald Knuth?

    [–]polyparadigm 0 points1 point * (0 children)

    No.

    I do work that doesn't require extensive security measures, for an organization that does.

    [–]kristovaher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This whole post was like a flashback to 90's for me.

    [–]Camarade_Tux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    OK, I dislike .doc CVs. Maybe it is an old-time fear but when I see a .doc file I always think about embedded virus. So my options are pdf files,

    Well... If you're using adobe reader, you may have a problem here...

    [–]the-ace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Actually I've setup my CV a couple of weeks ago as an html page from my site, and embedded analytics just for that reason.

    Never thought about it as a naughty or a trick, it's on the web, so I can track it, what's the problem with it? in 5 years time this will be a standard...

    [–]rogue780 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    CV = European resume?

    [–]dada_researcher[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    CV = curriculum vitae

    AFAIK it is commonly used all over Europe.

    [–]rmeredit 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    And Australia.

    [–]Pinot911 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    The world.

    [–]rmeredit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The Solar System, Milky Way, The Universe?

    [–]yottskry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    No, Resumé = American CV.

    [–]pytechd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Muahahah wouldn't work for me -- my e-mail gets read in a closed-off Outlook that can only access corporate servers, not the Intranet at large.

    (Why? It keeps me focused. I only check e-mail a few times per day, otherwise the embedded VM stays paused. When I want to read e-mail, having no Internet avoids any senseless distractions.)

    [–]m-p-3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sneaky, love it :D

    [–]junkit33 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Or just host it on a web page like many people do, and simply submit the link.

    [–]pozorvlak 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    But then you don't get to see the people who download it and email it around within their organisation, send it to their friends, or whatever.

    [–]junkit33 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Of course you do - you have your own server logs without putting an ounce of extra effort into it.

    [–]pozorvlak 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Aargh. You're not getting it.

    • I host my CV on my site.
    • Recruiter A downloads it from my site, saves a copy, possibly anonymises it a bit, and forwards it to clients B, C and D.
    • They, in turn, forward it to their HR departments, friends, cousins, etc.

    Under this scenario, only one download shows up in my logs, even though countless thousands of people have read my CV. Unless you embed something into it that must be downloaded each time it's viewed, as described in the article.

    Of course, the "Save complete page" option in most browsers defeats this technique, but not everyone uses that.

    [–]junkit33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Except it rarely works that way.

    When you send a resume in somewhere, it typically gets shoved into PeopleSoft or whatever software they use, which will strip out all the formatting.

    Some headhunters also like to convert to PDF packets as they strip out personal information.

    Basically, you have about as good of a chance as a link getting sent around as you do the original html with special tracking in it.

    [–]dick_in_hand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Am I the only one who misinterpreted the title of this link?

    [–]anarking -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

    It already exists hombres...http://www.trackmycv.com/

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    He mentioned this in the article and said he thought images were inappropriate.

    [–]anarking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sorry my bad, thought the link would be more useful for those that got turned off when they saw this requires python scripting. Those that are down voting I offer this bold emoticon penis as a formal apology 8===>

    [–]inmatarian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Cute.

    [–]kumyco -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    Don't do this, people. It's not naughty, it's just plain bad. It's also spyware and may be breaking laws somewhere.

    [–]dada_researcher[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I think it is legit to track your own cv. It is your data and no one is harmed in the process.

    [–]kumyco 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It's not the tracking your own CV that's the problem. It's the method used, i.e sending spyware to people without their knowledge. It's also questionable what data is (actually)collected and how it's used. The whole scheme just shady and stinks of dis-honesty.

    [–]dada_researcher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I do not agree at all, but it is an opinion. The data collected is the same given to any web server during browsing. It cannot be related to any particular individual.

    [–]muahdib -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

    I wouldn't call it "naughty" but it's a good trick, and... a programmer sending a .doc file as you mentioned, well that programmer would not get a job at my place, I wouldn't even bother reading it, but you probably also want to put

    <META HTTP-EQUIV="CACHE-CONTROL" CONTENT="NO-CACHE">
    <META HTTP-EQUIV="PRAGMA" CONTENT="NO-CACHE">
    

    in the header.

    [–]SarahC 4 points5 points  (7 children)

    a programmer sending a .doc file as you mentioned, well that programmer would not get a job at my place,

    Where I'm from in the UK, everyone requests CV's as Doc files. =(

    [–]muahdib 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Where I'm from in the UK, everyone requests CV's as Doc files. =(

    That sounds weird. What are they going to do with a .doc file? I guess they are not really allowed to edit it. A few years ago I applied for a job at a place (ABB) I was working in the 80-ies and they replied: (ok my translation from Swedish to English may not be perfect, I often find that there are words that do not exist in English)

    "Referring to you application it would be nice if you could add copies of your marks (is it certificates?). If you have a CV in word-format it would be nice if you could send it, gladly scanned via email to me"

    This for me sounds like some of the recruitment staff who are not really knowing about what they are doing. I guess "word-format" here was kind of some generic for typeset or layout-formatted text and "scanned" was quite a tautological term as it would be hard to send any copy of old documents if not scanning them. I was thinking, do they really mean I should make a "word-document" of a bitmap?

    Anyway my CV was in LaTeX format so I sent everything in PDF which I find to be the only reasonable way to transfer documents which are not intended to be edited. I didn't get the job, but I would also have had a tough time going to an interview with people that would consider a "word"-document be the name for a PDF .

    [–]cecilkorik 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I was thinking, do they really mean I should make a "word-document" of a bitmap?

    Having worked with some of these folks in the past... I have to say that yes, some of them really, actually do mean that.

    Most of them can be reformed, if approached gently enough with alternatives.

    [–]Jigsus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Like baseball bats

    [–]Silhouette 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Agencies in the UK tend to like DOC files, as it means they can edit out all the contact details and slap their branding all over it.

    I'm not sure any technical staff making hiring decisions at any place I've ever worked had any such preference, but I am sure that a well-presented PDF would have gone over better than a scrappy DOC with most of those people.

    [–]SarahC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Blimey! That's low. o.O

    [–]Silhouette 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You mean the agency thing? It's absolutely routine, I'm afraid. It makes it harder for employers to contact good candidates directly, and then tell the agency they were already in contact so they won't be paying any referral fees.

    [–]abw 1 point2 points * (0 children)

    Where I'm from in the UK, they don't. Same rule applies as others have stated: the places where they require you to use .doc files generally aren't the places where you would want to work.

    Recruiters usually insist on .doc files because they want to edit your CV and add all sorts of qualifications and experience that you don't have. Avoid these people at all costs.

    [–]dada_researcher[S] 0 points1 point * (0 children)

    I do not remember if I added that to the cv html. It seems to be a good thing to do. I remember doing something like that on the headers returned by the python script that served the css.

    [–]zyle -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    sneaky.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    He thinks PDF files are safer than .doc files? Seriously?

    [–]bgog -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

    Retards who use acronyms without explaining them are retards.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    CV is not an acronym. Also, I was once penalised on conduct by a squash referee for calling myself a retard. It's quite offensive when you think about it, which I did after that match.